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PostSubject: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 5:21 am

So I am forcing myself to let Peaches cry. I have no idea how much of this I can handle. I wasn't feeling well so my daughter wore her out for me, at least we thought so. She went to bed at 9:30pm, cried for a hour and a half, slept for a half hour, then it started all over again.It is 3:20am now and she has screamed the whole time, minus the 2 half hour pauses to sleep a little. 5 total hours of screaming so far, pretty much none stop. I don't mean a little whine, I mean a full on scream.

I have tried everything, I mean everything to make her happy. I even filled up one of her toys with peanut butter to keep her busy, she didn't seem to care about it.

The last time I took her to potty she wouldn't even try to pee, she just hugged my legs. Sad It was so sad.

Does anyone have any other ideas? If I was alone I wouldn't mind this going on for a while but my husband and daughter have to sleep. I can't imagine not keeping her, we have only had her 3 days but love her so much. My daughter would be heart broken.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 5:27 am

We haven't crate trained so I don't know what to suggest except other to have her crate some where close to you where she can see you and hear you just to know she isn't alone. Crate training can be very hard from everything I've read, check the crate training thread for tips. I think the main thing to remember is to stick with it and don't give in. Good luck
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 5:47 am

I have posted this before, but I went through this SAME EXACT thing with Sheba for a whole month. She screamed, she howled, she scratched at the crate, she did whatever she could to get my attention. I cried, I was exhausted, I looked like a crack whore, but the thought to give her up never crossed my mind. It is way disheartening to read that.

This is going to sound harsh, but I feel like you need it. Things may, can, and probably will get worse. She be a naughty puppy nipping and biting and chewing whatever she can get her little mouth and paws on. She will turn into a teenager, and you will mean as much as a spec of dirt on the bottom of her paws. She is not a pre-programmed puppy. You will have problems, and it will seem like there isn't a light at the end of the tunnel..I promise there is a light and it will end.

Yes, people need to sleep. But everyone should have been more then well aware the potential puppy is going to kick and scream for the first week. If you are already even remotely thinking about giving up on her, what are you going to do when she shreds your favorite pair of jeans? When she rips into important books? Important documents? When she knows that outside is the only place she should go to the bathroom, but poops and pees inside anyway? Are you prepared for that?

Where do you keep her crate? Is it in your room with you? All of my dogs have been crated in my room with me. Kloe (my Lhasa Apso) cried the first night. Cried literally all night. I made the best of it. Second night, she cried for about 6 hours and slept a little. Sheba, like I said, was worse then that.

How many naps does she take a day? If she is sleeping during the day a lot..don't let her. Some people may not agree with that, but if she is napping constantly throughout the day, she won't sleep at night because she is ready to have some fun. Keep her active during the day. Play with toys, do training sessions, do whatever you can to tire her out ALL DAY. Not for just a couple hours, but all day long.

Also what kind of crate is she in? You may have posted this info already, but it could be helpful. When I first got Kloe, she was in a airplane type plastic crate and she hated it. I went out and bought her a wire crate and she loved it. Sheba was in a airplane crate, and she would sometimes love it, and sometimes hate it. So I put her in a wire crate and same thing. I had to cover it for awhile, then she didn't like it when I covered it..she's a diva what can I say.

Have you been giving into her howling and crying at all?? If you have given her ANY type of reaction negative or positive, she will remember and it will be that much harder to break her of the habit. You HAVE to let her cry it out. No matter how long she cries, no matter how loud she gets..IGNORE HER! Eventually, it will click that this behavior is getting her nowhere and she will stop.

Don't give up!! You were SO excited to get her!! Remember, this is just a bump in the road, but ALSO remember this won't be the only bump! You just gotta hunker down, put your war paint on, and make it work! Things will be sunshine and rainbows, then it will seem like a rain cloud is following you FOREVER! Please don't be under the impression that I am being a jerk or whatever, I'm just telling you like it is. It is so rewarding to see your hard work pay off when you have a happy puppy and things start to fall into place.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 7:01 am

Kelsey,
I wouldn't give her up. I didn't mean for it to come across that way. She's such a sweet girl and we love her a great deal. I'm just tired, I just reread my post and it does sound that way but not what I meant at all.

We have a divided wire crate and it is in the kitchen. I had thought about putting in where it was near to us but as soon as she sees us the screaming gets worse. There will be times when we need to leave her home and since we have a cat and a rabbit and well huskies will be huskies so need her crate trained, the life of my sofa depends on it. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't mind one bit if she slept with me or near me.

to be honest last night was the first night I didn't give in. That was our 3rd night and the first two, I will admit that I gave in way more than I should have. It's just so sad to hear her cry like that, breaks my heart. Last night I did great...lol! I didn't give in at all, only going out every 2 hours to taker her to potty, unless on the off chance she was sleeping.



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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 7:08 am

Oh FOR SHAME! Wink . You need to be nazi tough on her now and gotta ignore her! I highly suggest crating her in your room with you. I would never crate a puppy in a different room then me. Seriously, give it a try. It could be your lifesaver. At first she will probably be more excited to see you, but just seriously. I can't stress how *I* think a puppy needs to be crated in your room with you. Have you done some research on pros/cons of crating in your room vs in a separate room? I just REALLY think you should try moving her in your room!! Don't let her in your bed or anything, just crate her in your bedroom where she can smell you and see you and hear you. I find that it helps a lot.

I know, when they really get going it's the most pathetic noise ever and just rips at your heart strings. But you gotta stay tough and strong, or else you will be dealing with this for a LONG time. Definetely keep her crate trained, don't give up on that. Just keep working and trying new things to see what does and doesn't work. It's a never ending game with dogs in general, especially with our devil husky puppies.

I am glad you aren't thinking of giving her up! It made me sad because you were so excited! Just keep your head up!
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 9:23 am

Kelli remember I told you about Balon and him doing it for 2 weeks, I wasn't kidding. Remember that huskies are a very vocal breed, so they will let you know when they are not happy. You absolutely cannot give in again! All you will do is prolong your agony. Believe me it will get better. We all slept with earplugs no lie. I set my alarm to wake me up every hour to take him outside. And his crate was right next to my labs crate! Didn't matter he still screamed. This time for Loki I am borrowing a smaller wire crate and am putting him right next to my bed so that I can soothe him when he yells. Yes the family will lose some sleep, but as Kelsey stated above, it is to be expected. Huskies do seem to carry on longer than any other breed I have had, I mean my lab cried for one night, ONE! Very Happy Balon, was a nightmare lol. But it did pass and he is golden now. In fact I don't crate either of my two at night anymore, just if the entire family is out, and that is mostly to protect him from eating something again lol.

I am sure that Peaches will come around, just be patient, and also whatever you do do not let her out when she is yelling, wait for that second or two when she stops and pop her out to potty. Then right back in the crate she goes. I wouldn't overload it with toys maybe one thing to chew that's it. Frozen kongs are good if you have to leave her. Definitely try putting the crate in your bedroom. Good luck, this too shall pass!
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 9:39 am

This post made me smile, brought back so many memories of Hayden and the horror I went through crate training him. He screamed, and not a normal scream either! He sounded like someone was killing this poor animal. I have never in my life heard an animal sound like that. It sounded like pure torture.

First off, you're not alone! Most everyone goes through this, so just hang in there! It WILL get better, even though it seems like it won't. We started crating in the kitchen and it was terrible for us. I second moving the crate into the bedroom. We put a sheet in the crate with our smell on it, so the puppy doesn't feel alone and also put a dark sheet over the crate. If the screaming is too much to handle, try ear plugs.

The most important thing is don't give up! You will end up with an adult Husky in bed with you like me.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 10:46 am

We had this problem and got quite a few suggestions:
[*] Crate cover
[*] Move the crate into our bedroom
[*] Stuffed animal and hot water bottle in the crate
[*] Ticking clock in the crate
[*] Radio turned to classical music on a low volume next to the crate

For Crispin our big problems were that he hated being alone (he needed to hear us and know we were close) and that he was used to having a crate cover. We moved the crate into our bedroom and put a blanket over it and the crying went from five hours to about 30 minutes per night. After a couple of weeks there was no crying. Now we're four months later, the crate is still in our bedroom, but he goes in of his own accord every night.

A few times when we couldn't take it we'd let him out and one of us would sleep downstairs with him on the couch. This made it much worse as he then knew that if he could be more persistent than us he could sleep next to us outside the crate.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 11:17 am

We went through the exact same thing. It will get better. The sleep deprivation can be brutal, I totally feel for you. In the end, what ever you end up doing, do what works best for your home and family. You can't always go by the book with these things. We were so hung up on "what the book says" that it was hard sometime to make decisions without feeling like we were doing something wrong. Good luck!
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 11:29 am

aw hun, i know its hard. i don't have too much advice since i JUST got my pup last week. but it's been almost a week since i brought her home. at first she HATED the crate. despised it!! she would scream like something was killing her. but let me tell you - it gets better. i do crate her in my room with me. the first 5 nights, she slept right next to my bed - where she could see me. last night, we opted to moving her to the foot of the bed, she could no longer see me, but could still hear me. guess what - she was perfectly fine. she only cried for about 10 minutes. i'm still taking her out 3-4 times a night, but she's doing so much better!!!

so just hang on tight & i know it'll get better for you too!!! best of luck I love you
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 11:41 am

kiba was a nightmare at bedtime. we had to turn the AC and Fans on just to tune the noise out because she did the same thing. I wont tell you it was easy but literally every night she cried less and less. for the first night she screeched for 8 hrs then next night 7 hrs, 6hrs the third night....ect. Finally it was to a point where she would bark instead of screech for about 30 minutes. that lasted a little bit and now she doesn't make a peep unless she REALLY has to use the bathroom. in all honestly having this adorable puppy was supposed to be such a wonderful fun experience but the first two weeks were hellish.

All i can say is that it gets better and to keep doing positive crate training with your pup. Its really paid off and the days of puppy howling in the night will be gone before you know it. I had days where I kept thinking "WHYYY did i get a dog?!" but persevered and at 6 months old she's my little buddy- I couldn't be happier with her.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 11:46 am

Lucian was never really crated. He has a crate in my kitchen which he knows as bed. I just gate him in my kitchen at night or if we leave. He never screamed at night. It only took a few nights and he realized the kitchen was his space, and didn't have any potty accidents. I just made sure there was nothing he could get in to. It's worked well for us so far.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 2:39 pm

Hang in there it gets better, trust me. Right about the time period you're in we wanted to put Link on a UPS truck with an open ended address. It got better.

Remember, things like toys and ticking clocks are reactionary comforts. You need to focus on her state of mind prior to the crate. Make sure she knows exactly what you expect of her. I strongly recommend the implied boundary game. Let her walk in ,door stays open, and block her from exitting. When she cries, ignore her or disagree, when she is quiet, praise her, and when she surrenders and relaxes, give a treat and let her exit and follow you. She needs to know what you want from her clearly. Keep doing it longer and longer and eventually close the door and continue.

On day 5 Link slept 6 hours straight and has ever since. It can be done Smile
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 5:14 pm

Thank you all so much! She took a couple good naps today so I got a little sleep, it was needed for sure. I have been working with her all day on the crate, when she whined/cried after waking from a nap I would go in and say quiet. Wait for her to stop and then let her out. She did really good every time, or should I say I did good. lol

My question is, if I move her crate to our bedroom. She will get use to always being with us. What happens when we have to leave the house and she's finally alone? Right now I can't even walk out of the room without her going crazy on me. I've never gone with before but wouldn't it be better if she got use to being alone once in a while?

Hoping for a better night tonight but prepared for another really long night. I may set my phone alarm to vibrate, put in some ear plugs and just go to bed.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 5:41 pm

I'm not sure how tonight is going to go but as for today I think she is getting the point. I have put on my hardhat and strapped on my boots. She has done great today in the crate, very little whining when she wakes from a nap, in fact a couple of times I heard her wake up and start playing with a toy first, not long but a little while. I refused to even unlatch the door until she was quite, she's done well with that all day. Just put her in for a nap since she was going to sleep on the floor. She didn't like it much, started to whine and I used my mean mommy voice and said QUIET a couple of times when she whined. She stopped within 2 minutes and I haven't heard another sound out of her.

Praying that all the work I have done today will help tonight but I'm prepared for another rough night. My husband is bring home pizza so I don't have to cook, to tired to do much of anything. The little sleep I had today was nice but I could use a lot more. lol!

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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 5:49 pm

Ear plugs, put them in at night and just ignore her. We did it with Ares.
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I think I'm the odd one out here, but I didn't crate train Cato at night. He has always slept in our bed. If I attempted to shut him out of the bedroom, when he knows I'm in there he would go nuts.

Now, he is crated whenever we are not there but for us, that has been different. If we are not in the house, he will sleep like a baby...but I see no reason to put him in a crate while I am there and honestly, I've never had a reason with Delilah either. Both crate trained just fine when we weren't there.

I've never tried night crating and I probably never will with any of my dogs, but that's just me.

How is she when you aren't home?
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 9:33 pm

mheath0429 wrote:
I think I'm the odd one out here, but I didn't crate train Cato at night. He has always slept in our bed. If I attempted to shut him out of the bedroom, when he knows I'm in there he would go nuts.

i'm the same way, ever since i moved out on my own and had dogs they always slept in the bed with me. they both do great and maya slept all through the night the first day i got her no crying no nothing just slept. Zoe the same way, now when i leave they both are in their crate and as far as i know don't make a sound when i leave or come home. they just wait for me to open the gate door and are ready to go outside.

the only time that i know Maya (the puppy) will make any noise when she is in her crate is when i take Zoë for a walk by herself.

so when Maya grows up i will have how ever heavy Maya is when she grows up plus Zoë at 39.6lbs in the bed with me.

Zoë would be fine in the crate all night bc she was a pound puppy so she is used to being in a crate all night but i think Maya would cry all night long.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 9:57 pm

Megan I would totally let mine sleep in the bed with me, HOWEVER the husband does not agree! Rolling Eyes He doesn't like dogs in beds or on furniture (they do sleep at night on our family room couch though Very Happy ) Mine had to be crated for that reason. Ruby lab was a dream to crate, cried one night. Balon 2 weeks and we all slept with earplugs. Weird thing is that I crated him next to the lab, big mistake. When we went to the lake last year on vacation we took the lab, (not Balon because he was still having all his peeing issues lol) and it isn't my house. He screamed bloody murder for my eldest son who was caring for him. I later found out he just let Balon sleep with him and crated him when he went to work lol. Now Lab is 19 months and Balon over 1 I don't crate them unless entire family is out. They are still crated side by side in an unused bedroom. He does not cry because he knows its not for long. Kelli, sounds like you are doing just fine.
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 11:28 pm

Balonsmom wrote:
Kelli, sounds like you are doing just fine.

Thank you! I'm trying really hard. She's such a sweet girl and when she isn't screaming her head off she is a total joy to have around. My husband came home from work and ordered me to bed and he took over for a few hours. I didn't sleep much but it was nice to have a break. It's 9:30pm and Peaches is up, hoping that we can wear her out and she will have a better night. I'm hoping but I'm ready for another really long night. I know once we get past this we will be fine. She's only 7 weeks so it will be a while.

I really do appreciate everyone's support and ideas. You all have been wonderful!
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PostSubject: Re: I really am trying   I really am trying EmptyTue Mar 05, 2013 11:54 pm

mheath0429 wrote:
I think I'm the odd one out here, but I didn't crate train Cato at night. He has always slept in our bed. If I attempted to shut him out of the bedroom, when he knows I'm in there he would go nuts.

Now, he is crated whenever we are not there but for us, that has been different. If we are not in the house, he will sleep like a baby...but I see no reason to put him in a crate while I am there and honestly, I've never had a reason with Delilah either. Both crate trained just fine when we weren't there.

I've never tried night crating and I probably never will with any of my dogs, but that's just me.

How is she when you aren't home?

Honestly Megan I agree with you. I wouldn't have started crating Hayden, but I wanted to for his own protection. I have an aggressive male Dalmatian that was just getting use to a new dog and I didn't want him to attack the puppy. After my experience with trying to crate Hayden, I didn't even bother crating Nicky. However, she did have several accidents in the bed, which could have been prevented by crating, but I dealt with it. They've never destroyed anything during the night, which is a plus. The only time I honestly crate mine is when I'm not home.
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